Rome: A Prophetic Failure? Or Symbolic?

Many think the book of Revelation is very simple.

It is all about Rome and the Caesars, and the persecution of the early church.

There were bits and pieces of the book of Revelation that fit ancient Rome. Starting with Nero there was ongoing persecution of the early church. Revelation does clearly talk about the end of time, as do many other books of the Bible. But Revelation also clearly says it talks about “things which must shortly come to pass;” Rev 1:1 KJV. Many think it is only about things which must shortly come to pass. You might even get the impression that the Second Coming of Christ would be associated with the fall of Rome!

We must remember too that Revelation was not a secret book. It was publicly disseminated. Probably most early Christians thought it was about Rome, but many (just like today) did not know what to make of it. Because you see here is the other side, which is not often discussed.

Much of Revelation does NOT fit Rome, even from the first.

A page from a pocket copy of Revelation. Egypt, 300’s AD. From “Revealing the Christian Age.”

Many liberals think that the beast is supposed to one of the caesars, and that “Mystery Babylon the Great” is Rome. That fits only to a point.

First of all, Mystery Babylon is all about trade and filthy religious sex (Rev 17:4), and seduction. Babylon was the one,

“with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and those who dwell in the earth were made drunken with the wine of her sexual immorality.”” Rev 17:2 WEB.

Rome indeed ruled many kings, but by force, not by seduction.

Rome did at times buy or control commodities, like for instance wheat. However, Rome was not primarily about trade, but about government. Rome definitely did not trade in the wide range of goods described in Revelation 18. The tradesmen did, and many of the corporations which prospered in the Empire. Rome’s specialty was the practice of military power which few could resist. Rome did not try to seduce other to get the money she needed. Rome would simply demand in taxes what she thought she needed.

Additionally, the standard liberal interpretation has the caesars (the beast?) overthrowing Rome, their own power base! That should be an astonishing interpretation in anyone’s book. Of course, that never happened! Some are more than willing to treat Revelation as a false prophecy.

So many from the first realized that much of this did not fit Rome of their day, with much wonderment. Some thought the many missing parts would yet happen with Rome, but they never did. For instance a “mark” that was necessary for buying and selling. See the previous post “A Special “Mark” …”

There is more discussion of why Rome does not ultimately fit Revelation, in Revealing the Christian Age.

But remember in 2 Samuel 7, Solomon was a type, symbolic of Jesus, and both of them are in the prophecy, with no clear lines of division! (see the previous posts about “Two Sons of David.”) Are Rome and the caesars merely types, symbolic of what was to come later?

KJV is the King James Version, 1611.

WEB is the World English Bible, a copyright free revision of the original ASV American Standard Version 1901

The Jews Will Finally Convert to Jesus of Nazareth

Yes it is true that it was prophesied that the Jews would reject their own Messiah, the Christ, Jesus of Nazareth. Some of the passages are stunning, even blood curdling.

“14 He shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offense  both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 15 Many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.” 
Isa 8:14-15 WEB

By now it is passe that the Jews as a whole have rejected Jesus, and everyone treats this as a permanent case. Even so, Scripture also says that the Jews will finally convert to Jesus!

This is far less widely acknowledged. In fact it is often emphatically disputed. Part of the issued is how wide has been the Jewish rejection, and how stubbornly consistent it has been over the centuries. Many during the centuries have seen that Scripture predicted a final conversion to Jesus, and thinking it was near, tried to turn the Jews to better ways … only to be faced with bitter failures. So many have come to treat their conversion as something that just wasn’t so, and never will be!

But many of the Scriptures are very clear and not at all conditional. For instance,

“Yahweh your God WILL circumcise your heart, and the heart of your seed, to love Yahweh your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, that you may live.”
Deut 30:6 WEB.

Will the prophets of the Jews finally have the impact on that nation that they should have had all along?

That is not a wishy-washy prophecy, nor are many others. For instance:

At that time, says Yahweh, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.”
Jer 31:1 WEB

Now David says that, “The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” ” Psa 14:1 WEB. Yet there is probably no nation on earth that has a greater percentage of atheist than the Jews. But Jeremiah 31:1 says that there will come a day when “says Yahweh, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.” Either this is a false prophecy, or it just has not happened yet!

And then there are prophecies like those of Zechariah. He points to day when,

I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they will look to me whom they have pierced; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and will grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for his firstborn.”
Zech 12:10 WEB

In context this is ALL the families of Israel, Zech 12:11-13. That is to say, “all the families who remain,” Zech 12:14.

That would be an astounding day, an awesome day, which has never happen YET! And it happens during a time of great stress.

WEB is the World English Bible, a copyright free revision 
of the original ASV American Standard Version 1901